Wilhelm aus Graf

[sternandella]

Уважаемые эксперты,
прошу помочь в поиске корней:
родителями моего предка Иоганна Адама Вильгельм из колонии Граф (*1817/1818) были Петер (*1797) и Сузанна (*1798) Вильгельм. Не смогли бы Вы в переписи 1834 (или 1857) выяснить девичью фамилию Сузанны.

Заранее благодарна.

[viktor 2]

Не смогли бы Вы в переписи 1834 (или 1857) выяснить девичью фамилию Сузанны.

В переписи 1834 года она записана без девичьей фамилии. В 1850 её в семье уже не было.

[sternandella]

Тем не менее большое спасибо.

[KassieJo]

viktor2 посмотрите пожалуйста есть ли дочь Helena в семьях Wilhelm в переписи 1834 года.
Заранее благодарна.

[viktor 2]

есть ли дочь Helena в семьях Wilhelm в переписи 1834 года.

Нету.

[gendero]

Здравствуйте форумчане!
Ищу родителей Barbara Wilhelm(i) 1826 из колонии Graf. Известно, что она замужем за Johann Georg Geier 1824.
Большое спасибо!
С ув. Сергей.

[gendero]

Так же интересует девичья фамилия Anna Catharina Geier 1787 г.р. и из какой она колонии? Муж Johannes Geier 1789 г.р. (кол. Граф);
Andreas Windholz 1797 г.р., его жена Anna Maria Windholz 1799 г.р., ум. до 1858. Интересмует её девичья фамилия и из какой она колонии? Брак в 1790 г. Этот Андреас был дважды женат. Его вторая жена Marianna Riedel 1811г.р.
Заранее блангодарен!

Сув. Сергей.

[trecil]

Так же интересует девичья фамилия Anna Catharina Geier 1787 г.р. и из какой она колонии? Муж Johannes Geier 1789 г.р. (кол. Граф);
Andreas Windholz 1797 г.р., его жена Anna Maria Windholz 1799 г.р., ум. до 1858. Интересмует её девичья фамилия и из какой она колонии? Брак в 1790 г. Этот Андреас был дважды женат. Его вторая жена Marianna Riedel 1811г.р.
Заранее блангодарен!

Сув. Сергей.

1. In the 1834 Graf census, Peter Wilhelm and wife Susanna have a daughter, Barbara, born in 1826. Susanna's maiden name is not listed.


2. In the 1857 Graf census, household # 65, wife of Johannes Geier is listed as Catharina Rohleder, 70 years old, so born 1787. She is listed as Anna Catharina in the 1850 census. Since her surname is Rohleder she is probably from Rohleder (Raskaty). The 1798 Rohleder census, household #3, lists a Konrad Rohleder married to second wife Katarina Schreiner. Children from deceased first wife includes an Anna Katarina, 11 years old, so born 1787.


3. Andreas Windholz and wife Anna Maria are in the Herzog (Susly) in the 1834 and 1850 census. Anna Maria appears to have died sometime between the 1850 and 1857 census. Two of their sons, Johannes married to Magdalena Pfeifer, in the 1857 census and Lorenz, not yet married in the 1857 census (Household #55) came to the US. A descendant of Johannes Windholz obtained information from the Russian church records for his birth and marriage. His mother was Anna Maria Schmidtberger and she was probably the daughter of Andreas Schmidtberger, 20 years old and not yet married in the 1798 Herzog census, household #23.

The claim that Andreas Windholz had a wife named Marciana or Martianna (not Marianna) Riedel is mentioned in a Windholz genealogy book published Frank Windholz in 1983 in the US. But there is no supporting documentation for that claim so it is not certain this Marcianna Riedel ever existed.

[gendero]

The claim that Andreas Windholz had a wife named Marciana or Martianna (not Marianna) Riedel is mentioned in a Windholz genealogy book published Frank Windholz in 1983 in the US. But there is no supporting documentation for that claim so it is not certain this Marcianna Riedel ever existed.

Hello!
Thank you very much!
Can you give more information?
I would be very grateful.

[gendero]

Peter Wilhelmi 1797, кто может подсказать по этой семье, кто его родители? Откуда прибыли первопоселенцы? Его жена Susanna Wilhelmi 1798. Как её девичья фамилия? Из какой она колонии?
Большое спасибо.

[trecil]

The claim that Andreas Windholz had a wife named Marciana or Martianna (not Marianna) Riedel is mentioned in a Windholz genealogy book published Frank Windholz in 1983 in the US. But there is no supporting documentation for that claim so it is not certain this Marcianna Riedel ever existed.

Hello!
Thank you very much!
Can you give more information?
I would be very grateful.

I have several genealogy books that were published in the US. The books published before say 2000 often will have serious errors in them when compared to the Russian census and church records. Americans did not have access to the Russian records until about 1995.

Link below is to a better Windholz history book published in 2000. It lists the wife of Andreas Windholz as Anna Maria and does not mentioned Marcianna Riedel as a wife. Book is in English and you can download a pdf of the whole book or read it online.


Link: https://www.familysearch.org/library/bo ... y?offset=1

[gendero]

Book is in English and you can download a pdf of the whole book or read it online.

Hello! Many thanks!

[gendero]

родителями моего предка Иоганна Адама Вильгельм из колонии Граф (*1817/1818) были Петер (*1797) и Сузанна (*1798) Вильгельм.

Кто и откуда были предки Петера Вильгельм 1797?
Большое спасибо.

[gendero]

Здравствуйте форумчане!
Martin Wilhelmi 1754, жил до 1797 года в Луисе, по переиси 1798 г. жил уже в Графе, дочь от первого брака Маргарита 1794 г.р., вторая жена Anna Barbara Schäfer 1757г.р. Кто его родители? Когда и откуда прибыли в Россию?
Большое спасибо!

[KassieJo]

1. In the 1834 Graf census, Peter Wilhelm and wife Susanna have a daughter, Barbara, born in 1826. Susanna's maiden name is not listed.

dear trecil, acc. to census 1834 does Peter have other children? Perhaps another daughter born between 1816 and 1820?

[trecil]

1. In the 1834 Graf census, Peter Wilhelm and wife Susanna have a daughter, Barbara, born in 1826. Susanna's maiden name is not listed.

dear trecil, acc. to census 1834 does Peter have other children? Perhaps another daughter born between 1816 and 1820?

Peter Wilhelm family from translated 1834 Graf census (Rupp, Leiker)

Peter Wilhelm (1797-1832)
Father: Martin Wilhelm (1754-1829)
Mother: ?
Spouse: Susanna 1798

Children

Adam 1817
Johannes 1821
Peter 1828
Elisabeth 1818
Barbara 1826
Magdalena 1830
Anna Maria 1832

[KassieJo]

Elisabeth 1818

Do you have any information, what happend to Elisabeth Wilhelm born in 1818?

[trecil]

Elisabeth 1818

Do you have any information, what happend to Elisabeth Wilhelm born in 1818?

Probably married Johannes Quint/Quindt.
1857 Louis census, household #35

Johannes Ouindt, head, age 43
Elisabeth Wilhelm, spouse, 38

seven children:

Katharina, 20
Margaret, 14
Barbara, 12
Johannes, 10
Peter, 7
Elisabeth, 5
Anna Maria, 2

[trecil]

Не смогли бы Вы в переписи 1834 (или 1857) выяснить девичью фамилию Сузанны.

В переписи 1834 года она записана без девичьей фамилии. В 1850 её в семье уже не было.

15 Jul 1828 Baptism record for Johannes Peter Wilhelm, born the day before to Peter Wilhelm and Susanna Nabum. I think this is the Peter Wilhelm listed as born 1828 in the 1834 Graf census.

Nabum is perhaps Naab in Brent Mai's 1798 census in Kamenka. Household #19.

Johannes Naab, head, 29 from Degott
Anna Maria Strapdenber[?], spouse, 22
Johan Geroge, son, 2
Susanna, daughter, 4

Anna Maria Strapdenber's mother & two brothers also listed