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Уважаемые форумчане! Буду благодарна за любую информацию о Kristof Hinder примерно 1846 г.р. и Sofia Hinder примерно 1847 г.р. в Schwab. Из дети: Maria примерно 1888 г.р., Emanuel и Gottfried примерно 1875 г.р.

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Семьи Гинтер в с.Шваб на 1941 г. из 2-х тт. Вашкау.

Гинтер Кристоф Кристофович 1915 3 182
Гинтер Яков Георгиевич 1888 4 189
Ищу: всех Мунц, Штамм, Минх (с.Усть-Грязнуха, с.Каменка), всех Кизнер, Якоб, Деш, Штремель (с.Гнилушка), Шмидт (Каменка) и Шехтель (Шукк, Каменка).
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Спасибо Константин. Но эта семья эмигрировала в Америку до 1910.
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Hello, we are searching for the Hinter or Hinder or Ginter family in Schwab, first name is Christof born about 1846 and his wife Sofia, born about 1847. Children, Mary, Gottfried, possibly Jacob Emmanuel.

Also a brother named Johann Frederick who became a missionary with the Seventh Day Adventist and went to Germany then Romania, but died back in the Saratov region by 1920. Christof and his family came to New York on the Caronia. They first traveled to Libau then to Hull, then Liverpool, then across the sea. They were going to Fort Morgan Colorado, but didn't stay long.

We have now learned, that the name on the ships records, do not reflect actuality. As the sons name was MANUEL and he didn't come to North America. He and his wife, Eva Elizabeth MICHEL separated in Russia and only she and her children came on the ship. They headed on to Alberta, Canada by 1910.
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Searching the families of Hinter, Hinder, Bill, Hammer. The village of Schwab, Guberle, Redikof, Friedenberg, Alexandertal. Prior to 1920.
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Seeking information:
Passengers on the Caronia, Departing Liverpool, April 1908, arriving New York, May 1908. All Residence SCHWAB

Hinder, Kristof - age 62
Sofia - age 61
Gottfried age 33
Maria age 25
Eflia age 23
Emalia age 7 months
Jacob age 6
Johanes age 6
Maria age 20
Maria age 2

Their relative back in Russia is named as Frederick Hinder, brother to Kristof
The relative they are going to meet is named Emmanuel Hinder, husband to Eflia, son to Kristof.
We have now learned that the sons name was MANUEL and he didn't come to North America. But remained in Russia.

They went from Libau in 1907 on a small boat to Hull, then by train to Liverpool, then the Caronia to New York in 1908.
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debmail777 писал(а): 11 мар 2020, 23:30Seeking information:
Passengers on the Caronia, Departing Liverpool, April 1908, arriving New York, May 1908. All Residence SCHWAB

Hinder, Kristof - age 62
Sofia - age 61
Gottfried age 33
Maria age 25
Eflia age 23
Emalia age 7 months
Jacob age 6
Johanes age 6
Maria age 20
Maria age 2

Their relative back in Russia is named as Frederick Hinder, brother to Kristof
The relative they are going to meet is named Emmanuel Hinder, husband to Eflia, son to Kristof

They went from Libau on a small boat to Hull, then by train to Liverpool, then the Caronia to New York.
This is family #23 from 1857 census of Schwab:

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Name				Status		Age 1850	Age 1857
Georg Christoph Günther		h		42		49
Anna Katharina			sp		42		49
Johann Peter			s		20		27
Katharina Elisabeth		dl		-		23
Johannes			gs		-		1/4
Maria Elisabeth			d		15		-
Maria Katharina			d		12		-
Johannes Jakob			s		8		15
Johann Friedrich		s		6		13
Georg Christoph			s		4		11
Your Christoph is last ni the list, his brother Friedrich next to him from above.

About name Eflia, it is definitely wrong name, do you have the original of record, so we could determine original name?

Nevertheless, this family was part of household #22 in 1834:

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Name				Status		Age 1816	Age 1834	Comments
Johann Heinrich Günther		h		44		62		Died 1840
/* skipped family members, not related to this topic */
Georg Christoph			s		7		26		moved to household #23
Anna Katharina			dl		-		26
Johann Peter			gs		-		4		Moved to household #23
Maria Elisabeth			gd		-		1/4
/* skipped family members, not related to this topic */
And this family in 1798 census:

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Name			Status		Age 1798	Comments
Johann Günther		h		57
Margaretha Schmal	sp		63
/* skipped family members, not related to this topic */
Johann Heinrich		s		27
Eva Dosch		dl		25
/* skipped family members, not related to this topic */
And the first settlers list:

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5. Günter, Johann, 27, luth., Ackerbauer aus Brendebach bei Steinau
Frau: Anna Margaretha, 30
in der Kolonie eingetroffen am 8.7.1767
Parents of Eva Dosch, wife of your Johann Heinrich from year 1798 was from this family:

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36. Dosch, Nicolaus, 24, luth, Schneider aus Breitenbrunn(Lützelbach)
Frau: Anna Margaretha, 23
Sohn: Johann Michael, 1
in der Kolonie eingetroffen am 12.9.1767
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Greetings From Canada, Arcuen;
Wow! This is amazing, we spent over $200 to gather a census of Schwab containing the Ginter surname, we have a chart but not able to read it properly. You have provided an excellent breakdown. I could send you the chart privately if you could take a look at it? This is the closest we have to actually placing the family in Schwab. In some of their later records in Canada, they submit other locations as their origin, which was very confusing. One of them being "Kameshin" and one being "Guberle" which I'm certain both are spelled incorrectly. They do mention Saratoff, which I believe is Saratov, and probably meant the region, not the city. They mention a placed called "Redikof" which might mean a farm? Yes, we can send privately or to an email, which you would prefer. We are so grateful for your reply!
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debmail777 писал(а): 13 мар 2020, 15:55In some of their later records in Canada, they submit other locations as their origin, which was very confusing. One of them being "Kameshin"
Village Schwab was placed in Uyezd Kamyshin (named by main city in this administrative unit), which is like "county", so this wasn't false information, just too common.

Saratov was mentioned as Saratov governorate (province, called my it's main city), or guberniya, part of which was Uyezd Kamyshin mentioned earlier.

Probably "Guberle" was very misheard version of Guberniya.

But so far I do not have any ideas about Redikoff..
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Hello Again Arcuen,
On looking through the census data you provided, I don't think Christof is listed. He was born 1844 - 1846. He would have been about age 13 to 16 at the time of the census data. Thank you so much for posting anyway, if I can determine Christof's father, he would possible be listed in this data. I do not know Christof's father's name at this time.
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debmail777 писал(а): 22 мар 2020, 15:30Hello Again Arcuen,
On looking through the census data you provided, I don't think Christof is listed. He was born 1844 - 1846. He would have been about age 13 to 16 at the time of the census data. Thank you so much for posting anyway, if I can determine Christof's father, he would possible be listed in this data. I do not know Christof's father's name at this time.
I have already posted you this family:

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Name				Status		Age 1850	Age 1857
Georg Christoph Günther		h		42		49
Anna Katharina			sp		42		49
Johann Peter			s		20		27
Katharina Elisabeth		dl		-		23
Johannes			gs		-		1/4
Maria Elisabeth			d		15		-
Maria Katharina			d		12		-
Johannes Jakob			s		8		15
Johann Friedrich		s		6		13
Georg Christoph			s		4		11
Why is it your family?

Because:
1. This is only Günther family with brothers Friedrich and Christoph
2. Georg Christoph listed there was born exactly in 1846. He is LAST in family list. Look at his age in 1857 - he was 11 years old.
3. Yes, Georg Christoph from census is your Christof.
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Есть ли у кого список депортированных по эшелонам из шваб? Можете поделиться?
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