Gärtner - Гертнер aus Volmer

[Рудольф]

Да, есть. У этой пары в 1859 году родился Каспар, а Иоганнес в 1860 г. А брак был заключен не в 1856, а в 1851.

[olja]

Да, есть. У этой пары в 1859 году родился Каспар, а Иоганнес в 1860 г. А брак был заключен не в 1856, а в 1851.

А есть ли у Вас информация о Каспаре Гертнер, рожденном в 1859 ? О его семье?

[Рудольф]

Да, есть. У этой пары в 1859 году родился Каспар, а Иоганнес в 1860 г. А брак был заключен не в 1856, а в 1851.

А есть ли у Вас информация о Каспаре Гертнер, рожденном в 1859 ? О его семье?

Можно искать. Если серьезные намерения в поиске, пишите в ЛС.

[Надежда Пенкевич]

Мой прадед- Гергенредер Якоб Петрович, 1866г.р. был женат на Екатерине Сауэр,примерно того же года рождения.
Её родители: Михаэль Сауэр и Анна Мария Гертнер.
У Анны Марии Гертнер была сестра-Мария. Она тоже была замужем за Гергенредер. Кто был её муж?
И кто у этих сестёр родители?
Кто обладает информацией по фамилии Гертнер- прошу поделиться. Буду очень благодарна.

[Alexander-57]

1767

Hertner [Gärtner]*, Franz, Kano [Kaneau] 263
Gärtner [Hertner], Kaspar, Katharinenstadt 311
Gärtner, Daniel, Katharinenstadt 297
Gärtner, Ludwig, Katharinenstadt 293
Gärtner, Martin, Seelmann 162
Gärtner, Stephan, Mariental 98
Gärtner, Peter, Vollmer И.Плеве "Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767" т.4 стр. 286



1798

Herter Bd85; Ka55; Mn09;Mn33; Nb19; Sg76
Gartner Lz37
Gertner Nr191; Vm03; Vm13; Vm16; Vm27; Wt56

Vm03 Johann Adam Gertner h 37
Susanna Schwartz sp 35
Joseph s 9
Eva d 7
Elisabeth d 5
Anna Maria d 4
Joseph Braun о 81 living with them because they gave their house to them

Vm13 Nikolaus Lei h 30 from Schuck
Maria Eva Gertner sp31 deceased husband: Johannes Littig
Burgardt s 1
Christina d 5
Rosina d 3
Katharina Littig sd 11 father: Johannes Littig
Elisabeth Littig sd 8 father: Johannes Littig
Teresia Littig sd 7 father: Johannes Littig

Vm16 Heinrich Rettner (Gertner)? h 23
Katharina Ragen (Reigenborn)? sp 23 from Schuck
Philipp s3
Maria d 1
Nikolaus Gertner np 11 son of his brother: Joseph

Vm27 Johannes Ulrich h 70
Elisabeth Stein sp 53 deceased husband: Peter Gertner
Anna Maria d 27 his daughter [from a previous wife?]
Burgardt Ertle sl 30
Elisabeth gd 3 mo
Elisabeth Gertner sd 19 father: Peter Gertner

Выбывшие 1798:
Schuck - Mv2635 9 1792 Katharina, daughter of Peter Reigenborn, married Heinrich Gertner from Volmer (Vm16 )

[Alexander-57]

В свое время скопировал был ветку Heinrich Rettner (Gertner)? Vm16-1798 из базы данных по колонии Фольмер, составленной Ангелой Гартнер на своем сайте, так как он был связан с моими фамилиями из Шукк, но к сожалению сейчас она ее удалила, как и сам ее сайт по Фольмер сейчас тоже не действует, так как он блокирован из-за не оплаты ею домена, но может быть со временем откроется снова, как знать это теперь:

 Родословная Heinrich Gartner

Descendant Register, Generation No. 1

1. Heinrich Gartner (Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1775 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died ABT 1837 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Katharina Reichenborn ABT 1792, daughter of Peter Reichenborn and Margaretha Peltz. She was born 1775 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died AFT 1834 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

Children of Heinrich Gartner and Katharina Reichenborn are:
+ 2 i. Philip Gartner was born ABT 1795 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
3 ii. Anna Maria Gartner was born ABT 1797 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
4 iii. Anna Elisabeth Gartner was born 30 DEC 1798 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
+ 5 iv. Heinrich Gartner was born ABT 1807 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died ABT 1833 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
6 v. Heinrich Gartner was born 10 JUN 1800 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
7 vi. Elisabeth Gartner was born ABT 1818 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

Descendant Register, Generation No. 2

2. Philip Gartner (Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1795 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Katherine Ingenthron BEF 1821 in Russia. She was born ABT 1802 in Russia.

Children of Philip Gartner and Katherine Ingenthron are:
+ 8 i. Joseph Gartner was born ABT 1821 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
9 ii. Peter Gartner was born ABT 1827 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died ABT 1844 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
+ 10 iii. Kaspar Gartner was born ABT 1829 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
11 iv. Elisabeth Gartner was born ABT 1832 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
12 v. Katerina Gartner was born ABT 1835 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
13 vi. Burghard Gartner was born ABT 1838 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died ABT 1856.
14 vii. Maria Anna Gartner was born ABT 1840 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
+ 15 viii. Johannes Gartner was born ABT 1845 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

5. Heinrich Gartner (Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1807 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died ABT 1833 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married ? ? BEF 1834 in Russia. She died BEF DEC 1834 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

Child of Heinrich Gartner and ? ? is:
16 i. Anna Maria Gartner was born ABT 1834 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

Descendant Register, Generation No. 3

8. Joseph Gartner (Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1821 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Katharina Wiesner BEF 1844 in Russia, daughter of Valentine Wiesner and Katerina Unknown. She was born ABT 1823 in Russia.

Children of Joseph Gartner and Katharina Wiesner are:
17 i. Michael Gartner was born ABT 1844 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
18 ii. Katerina Gartner was born ABT SEP 1850 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
19 iii. Anna Maria Gartner was born ABT 1852 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
20 iv. Catharina Gartner was born ABT 1856 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

10. Kaspar Gartner (Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1829 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Elisabeth ?. She was born ABT 1833.

Child of Kaspar Gartner and Elisabeth ? is:
21 i. Catharina Barbara Gartner was born ABT 1856 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.

15. Johannes Gartner (Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1845 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Catharina Kohlman BEF 1869 in Russia. She was born ABT 1845 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died ABT AUG 1914 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia.

Children of Johannes Gartner and Catharina Kohlman are:
+ 22 i. Jacob Gartner was born 1 MAY 1869 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 13 NOV 1922 in Iliff, Colorado, USA.
23 ii. George Gartner was born 1 NOV 1875 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia.
+ 24 iii. Anna Marie Gartner was born 19 FEB 1877 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 5 AUG 1939 in Sterling, Colorado, USA.

Descendant Register, Generation No. 4

22. Jacob Gartner (Johannes Gartner4, Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born 1 MAY 1869 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 13 NOV 1922 in Iliff, Colorado, USA. He married Elizabeth Matza NOV 1895 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. She was born 13 JUN 1876 in Rothammel (Pamyatnaya), Russia, and died 19 JAN 1961 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado, USA.

Children of Jacob Gartner and Elizabeth Matza are:
25 i. Jacob Gartner was born 29 SEP 1898 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 18 JUN 1965 in Logan, Colorado, USA.
26 ii. John Gartner was born 26 NOV 1900 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 5 NOV 1965 in Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas, USA.
27 iii. Denny Gartner was born ABT 1914 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died APR 1940 in Logan, Colorado, USA.

24. Anna Marie Gartner (Johannes Gartner4, Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born 19 FEB 1877 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia, and died 5 AUG 1939 in Sterling, Colorado, USA. She was buried AUG 1939 in Riverside Cementery, Sterling, Colorado, USA. She married Johannes Hochnadel ABT 1894 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia. He was born 9 NOV 1875 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died 12 NOV 1952 in Logan, Colorado, USA.

Children of Anna Marie Gartner and Johannes Hochnadel are:
28 i. Tecla Hochnadel was born 20 FEB 1897, and died 12 DEC 1975. She married Jacob Dukardt 20 FEB 1897. He was born 11 JUN 1887, and died 5 APR 1955.
+ 29 ii. Magdalene Hochnadel was born 1 MAY 1899 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died 30 APR 1970.
30 iii. Elisabeth Hochnadel was born 12 APR 1901, and died 15 SEP 1950. She married John M Artzer. He was born 3 MAR 1901, and died 24 AUG 1934.
31 iv. Katherine Hochnadel was born 29 APR 1903, and died 1 JUN 1971. She married Clarence Mari. He was born 23 NOV 1902, and died 14 SEP 1981.
32 v. Phillip Hochnadel was born 1904, and died 1904.
33 vi. Barbara Hochnadel was born 5 APR 1906. She married Jack Burger.
34 vii. Anna Maria Hochnadel was born 25 JUN 1909, and died 10 OCT 1952.
35 viii. Andrew Hochnadel was born 23 JAN 1911. He married Ann Dillie.
36 ix. Rose Hochnadel was born 17 JUN 1914. She married George Kaiser.
37 x. John Hochnadel was born 12 DEC 1915. He married Veronika Sewald.
38 xi. Annie Hochnadel was born 21 OCT 1917. She married August Kaiser.
39 xii. Joe Hochnadel was born 24 DEC 1919. He married Veronica Brazza.

Descendant Register, Generation No. 5

29. Magdalene Hochnadel (Anna Marie Gartner5, Johannes Gartner4, Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born 1 MAY 1899 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died 30 APR 1970. She was buried in Riverside Cementery, Sterling, Colorado, USA. She married John Peter Lambrecht 7 FEB 1921 in Sterling, Colorado, USA, son of George Lambrecht and Katherine (Kaderina) Jakobs. He was born 8 NOV 1895 in Schuck (Gryaznovatka), Russia, and died 20 FEB 1974. He was buried in Riverside Cemetery, Sterling, Colorado, USA.

Child of Magdalene Hochnadel and John Peter Lambrecht is:
40 i. Florence Lambrecht was born 31 JUL 1929. She married Marcus Gertner 31 JUL 1929, son of John Gartner and Anna Erdle. He was born 23 MAY 1925 in Colorado, USA.

По ревизиям 1816 -1850 представителей фамилии Гертнер в данной колонии слишком много и поэтому могу предоставить Вам их если нужно только в Л/С, а по 1857 году данных переписи у меня нет к сожалению.

[J.Schmidt53]

В свое время скопировал был ветку Heinrich Rettner (Gertner)

А вот этого нет даже в новой версии сайта Ангелы Гертнер "volmerrussia":

Falkenstein, Barbara 24 Nov 1888 Vollmer, Kanton Kamenka A3342-EWZ50-B053 2144 geb. Gaertner, verw. Laumann

[Cilian]

Vm03 Johann Adam Gertner h 37
Susanna Schwartz sp 35
Joseph s 9
Eva d 7
Elisabeth d 5
Anna Maria d 4
Joseph Braun о 81 living with them because they gave their house to them

Dieser Adam Gärtner *1761 ist laut Revisionsliste von 1767 kein Sohn von Peter Gärtner *1720 aus Worms,
sondern müsste aus einer anderen Kolonie hinzugezogen sein.
Laut Revisionsliste von 1767 hatten Peter Gärtner *1720 und Maria Elisabetha geb. Stein *ca. 1740 nur die Tochter Maria Eva *1765.

Das bedeutet, in dieser Kolonie gab es zwei unterschiedliche Familien mit dem Namen Gärtner.

Vielleicht ist Adam Gärtner *1761 ein Sohn von Stephan Gärtner aus Marental?

Gärtner, Stephan, Mariental 98

[J.Schmidt53]

He married Katharina Wiesner BEF 1844 in Russia, daughter of Valentine Wiesner and Katerina Unknown. She was born ABT 1823 in Russia.

В американском издании переписи 1834 г. явная ошибка. Там Катарине только 6 лет. Или?
Меня больше интересует девичья фамилия её матери.

[Cilian]

He married Katharina Wiesner BEF 1844 in Russia, daughter of Valentine Wiesner and Katerina Unknown. She was born ABT 1823 in Russia.

В американском издании переписи 1834 г. явная ошибка. Там Катарине только 6 лет. Или?
Меня больше интересует девичья фамилия её матери.

In der "russischen" Revisionsliste von 1834 ist die Familie von Valentin Wiesner wie unten zusammengestellt.
Ich habe die Kinder nur dem Alter nach sortiert.
Catharina Wiesner war in der Revisionsliste vom 13. Dezember 1834 tatsächlich "6" Jahre alt.
Das bedeutet, sie wurde 1828 geboren und war bei der Heirat im Jahre 1844 nur 16 Jahre alt.
Das kam früher häufig vor - sie war nicht die einzige, die so früh geheiratet hat.

Valentin Wiesner (37)
oo
Catharina (42)
- Johann Peter (17)
- Anna Maria (15)
- Magdalena (12)
- Catharina (6)
- Heinrich (4)

Der Geburtsname der Ehefrau Catharina ist in der Revisionsliste von 1834 leider nicht angegeben worden.

[Cilian]

В американском издании переписи 1834 г. явная ошибка. Там Катарине только 6 лет. Или?

In der "amerikanischen" Revisionsliste von 1850 ist Catharina Wiesner 27 Jahre alt, also 1823 geboren.
Vielleicht ist sie eine andere?
1850 ist die Ehefrau von Valentin Wiesner bereits verstorben, weshalb sie auch dort nicht aufgelistet wird.
Ihren Geburtsnamen kann man also nur durch den Heiratseintrag oder die Taufeinträge der Kinder herausfinden.

[J.Schmidt53]

8. Joseph Gartner (Philip Gartner3, Heinrich Gartner2, Peter GARTNER1) was born ABT 1821 in Volmer (Kopenka), Russia. He married Katharina Wiesner BEF 1844 in Russia, daughter of Valentine Wiesner and Katerina Unknown. She was born ABT 1823 in Russia.

Сочинитель, приписавший Катарине в отцы Валентина, не видел записи о браке. Иначе он знал бы девичью фамилию матери.
Скорее всего она дочь Михаеля и в ревизии 1834 года ей 13 лет.

[emil]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127 ... hn-gartner
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzutnXL ... gyYTg/view
http://www.prairiesouls.com/Macklin,%20 ... ry-136.htm
John Gartner1877 Vollmer–1961
Katharina Berger Gartner1888 Schuck–1968
http://www.prairiesouls.com/Macklin,%20 ... ry-140.htm

[emil]

https://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-b ... t.x=Search

Gartner aus Vollmer, Russia

[olja]

У моей прабабушки Катерины Баумгертнер, урожденной Гертнер (04.05.1878) родители Каспар Гертнер и Терезия Веснер. Года рождения родителей мне не известны.
На американском сайте нашла следующую информацию об этой паре:
Kasper Gartner (1829, Volmer)
1.Frau: Elisabeth Schiebelbein (1834)
2.Frau: Theresia Weisner (1844, Volmer)

Kind von 1. Frau: Katherine Barbara (1856, Volmer)
Kinder der 2.Frau:
1.Peter (1864, Volmer – 1889, Husaren)
2.Johannes (Ivan) (1860, Volmer)
seine Frau: Margaretha Schroh (1865, Volmer)

Моя прабабушка не стоит здесь. Обладает ли кто-нибудь более полной информацией об этой паре.

[J.Schmidt53]

Kinder der 2.Frau:
1.Peter (1864, Volmer – 1889, Husaren)
2.Johannes (Ivan) (1860, Volmer)

А ещё Anna-Maria (Vollmer, 1863) и другие.

[olja]

Kinder der 2.Frau:
1.Peter (1864, Volmer – 1889, Husaren)
2.Johannes (Ivan) (1860, Volmer)

А ещё Anna-Maria (Vollmer, 1863) и другие.

Я не вижу других. Не там ищу?

[J.Schmidt53]

Я не вижу других. Не там ищу?

19 октября 1872 года в Копенке родился Адам Гертнер. Родители: Конрад Гертнер и Терезия Везнер.
Так постепенно переходили к русским именам: Каспар>Кондрат>Кондратий.

[Ингрид]

Обратите внимание, что Konrad и Каспар разные имена

[olja]

Имена Каспар и Конрад, конечно, разные, но не очень распространенные. Каспар Гертнер был женат на Терезии Веснер, у них был сын Адам, женатый на Катерине Баумгертнер, - это точно.
А вот существовала ли пара Конрад Гертнер - Терезия Веснер, не известно.
Хорошо бы посмотреть, как точно записано в церковной книге.