Dear friends,
I refer to my old post from wikitree about Weber aus Messer and the first Weber family coming to the Russian Empire in the second half of 1700s...
Once more I understand that genealogy is much more about documents and less about assumptions and any assumption is to be confirmed by documents.
It was very difficult to find information about Weber family
and it became possible only and only with the Great help by Maria Weber, who is also searching for Weber ancestors through centuries.
I have found earlier the following information about Johann Philipp Weber family in wiki tree.
It looks like (assumed) that Johann Philipp Weber (born 1752) was the son of Anna Neumann Weber, who came in Russia with another son Johann Peter Weber (born 1743).
It was marked that her other son Konrad , born 1753 died 1754.
Her Husband Weber Johann Gotfried died before her move to the Russian empire.
And now Maria Weber from the group Messer, while researching thoroughly Weber family found the German ancestors of this Weber family in Bueches
and looked through German books to find and moreover read the old records (!!!). It was very surprising that with this family we are passing to the Peter the Great time, to the 1700s.
Maria has been searching very carefully Weber family in Bueches (Germany) and found the following information about Weber family from that time
:
Parents :
Weber Johann Wilhelm + Ehefrau Elisabeth
Kinder:
1. Johann Gottfried 1717
2. Anna Barbara 04.04.1720 +24.02.1722
3. Maria Catharina 05.03.1721
4. Anna Maria 10.08.1724
2.1. Weber Johann Gottfried … 1717 +14.09.1759
Ehefrau Neumann Anna Maria … +1767 in Russland
Ehe = 12.04.1741.
3. Kinder:
1. Johann Peter 03.02.1743 Büches (03.2.1743: Johann Peter Weber, Sohn des Gottfried und der Anna Maria; Büches; Taufpate: Johann Peter Hartwig, von Breitenborn)
2. Johannes 23.12.1746 Büches (23.12.1746: Johannes Weber, Sohn des Gottfried und der Anna Maria; Büches; Taufpate: Johannes Weber, Rohrbach)
3. Johann Conrad 08.08.1753 +27.02.1754 in Büches (Am 1. Juli 1753 haben Johann Gottfried Weber von Büches und Anna Maria, christliche Eheleute, einen Sohn taufen lassen. Taufpate war Johann Conrad Neumann; das Kind wurde getauft auf den Namen Johann Conrad Weber.)
4. Johann Heinrich 29.02.1756 Büches +07.10.1834 Russland (Am 29. Februar 1756 haben Johann Gottfried Weber zu Büches und Anna Maria, christliche Eheleute, einen Sohn taufen lassen. Taufpate war Johann Henrich Dittmann; das Kind wurde getauft auf den Namen Johann Henrich Weber.)
But there is no information about Johann Philipp.
From wikitree:
Johann Philipp Weber (abt. 1752 - abt. 1814)
Johann Heinrich Weber (abt. 1778 - 1817)
(Frau Anna Elisabetha Margaretha Betz )—
Died 3 Jan 1817 at about age 39 in Messer,
Therefore, some mystery still remains.